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Research on MTB 651, 84 and 406

Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2018 10:35 pm
by smith190
Hi

Thanks for allowing me onto your forum. My name is Simon Smith and Father Peter served on the above ships and was an active member of CFV until his death 12 years ago. I am trying to do some research for the family and have some information but would welcome any pointers to piece together what he did. I accompanied him to Vis in 1996 along with two of his ex shipmates Ken Gadson and Fred( cant remember his last name) and was honoured to hear some of the tales and meet some partisans. I have Flag 4 and "our lady of the pirates" and wondered if anyone has any more info and or photos of the above ships or knew my Dad?

Also, my father would have been nearly 93 and joined up in 1943 so he would have been one of the younger ones I guess. I'm happy to share all I have from my Dads records if it helps anyone else? I presume all the "Branches have now closed or are any still active? Thanks in anticipation Simon

Re: Research on MTB 651, 84 and 406

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:14 am
by Stephen
Hi Simon and welcome to the forum.

I'm sure that Admin can help out with your queries with the branches better than I, but I can perhaps recommend some more reading material for you. All three vessels you list above get some mention in the works of Leonard Reynolds. Operations involving 84 and 406 are both given several pages in Mediterranean MTBs at War by Reynolds and H. F. Cooper, and there are pictures of both of them. Likewise 651 features in Dog Boats at War, although I can't see a photo in there. Of course, I can't say your father was on board during all of the actions and events described in the books, but if you have his service record then you may be able to work out from the dates which ones he may have been part of.

You'd probably find Reynolds' own wartime memoirs Motor Gunboat 658 of interest too, as he served in the Mediterranean and Adriatic (and it's a brilliant book anyway). I'm not luck enough to own a copy of Our Lady of the Pirates, but I have read Flag 4 and I think you'll find the above books even more informative.

Hope this helps,
Steve

Re: Research on MTB 651, 84 and 406

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:38 am
by David Carter
Dear Simon and Steve. In answer to your question "are any Branches still active?" I am happy to reply that London Branch meets regularly on HMS Belfast. We shall be there this coming weekend.
We are open not just to veterans, but to their families, so you would be most welcome to join us. We have a nominal subscription of £10 which is to cover the cost of producing a quarterly newsletter. You mentioned Ken Gadsdon, he is the Chairman. One of our members regularly arranges visits to Vis, where he served.
If you would like to join, send me your address etc to cdcarter263@hotmail.com
David Carter (Secretary, London Branch)

Re: Research on MTB 651, 84 and 406

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 5:44 pm
by smith190
Hi David and Steve

Thanks ever so much for your prompt replies and am glad tha there are still active members of the CFVA. I will see the logistics about coming to London on Saturday as would be wonderful to meet up with some of my Dad's ex comrades.What time is the meeting starting?

I have a copy of Flag Four and Our Lady of the Pirates and a couple of others, I might be able to get hold of another copy of "Our Lady" if that is of use, if not, i'm sure I could photocopy the copy my Dad gave to me. Do you know if the Mediterranean MTBs at War is still in circulation?

Many thanks

Simon

Re: Research on MTB 651, 84 and 406

Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2018 8:57 pm
by David Carter
Hello Simon We shall be on HMS Belfast on Sunday for Remembrance Day. The service starts about 10.30. Unfortunately the Chairman will not be there due to ill health. The other veteran from Vis will be at HMS Hornet in Gosport. You are welcome to join us then, or at our next Branch meeting, also on HMS Belfast on 13th January 2019.
David C

Re: Research on MTB 651, 84 and 406

Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:14 pm
by smith190
Hi David

I'll come to your event on the 13th January on HMS Belfast then if that is ok?

With best wishes

Simon

Re: Research on MTB 651, 84 and 406

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:19 am
by Stephen
Apologies for my delayed reply - I was away much of the last week. Although Reynolds' book are out of print, you can find Mediterranean MTBs at War on ebay for about £25 right now and Dog Boats at War for as little as £7.40. I'd recommend them both. The third book in Reynolds' series, Home Waters MTBs and MGBs at War, is often a bit more pricey but also worth it if you ever come across it. Prices range from £28 to £77 on ebay at the moment!

I would love to get hold of a copy of Our Lady of the Pirates, although I've never even seen a copy for sale in the flesh or online (I don't believe it was ever properly published was it?). I wouldn't want to put you to any trouble, but if you ever did have a spare copy, I'd certainly be interested!

Regards,
Steve