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28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:04 pm
by CAM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/obitu ... 723189.htm
It says here
Back in action, Holloway distinguished himself when on 16 April 1945, as flotilla commanding officer of the 28th in HM MTB 409, he attacked a convoy of German E-boats ("Enemy war motor boats") and barges, sinking one of them. He had to take special care since he had under his command two Royal Yugoslav Navy motor gunboats and was under orders not to let their crews be captured by their opponents, the partisans of Marshal Tito. The MTBs worked with both these factions, Tito's men often serving as ship's pilots. In the same week, on 11 April, Holloway had been one of the skippers, in three MTBs under Charles Jerram, who sank five heavily armoured Flak lighters (cargo and troop-carriers with anti-aircraft guns) with six torpedoes, each MTB having only two.
http://www.worldnavalships.com/forums/a ... 11814.html
http://www.komiza.com/book2/PARTTHREEFINAL.pdf
Here, too, is written about the success of the 28th MTB Flotilla in April 1945 with the sinking of a plurality of German F-lighters.
But all F-lighters sunk in 1945 in the Adriatic Sea are known and none of them was sunk in a naval battle. What if the boat sank 28th Flotilla?

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:40 am
by CAM
Link, in 1945 at the 28th MTB Flotilla Adriatic torpedoes sank many F-barge. These barges very little sediment, making them virtually invulnerable to torpedoes with a contact fuze. Torpedoes with which fuse used MTB 28th Flotilla?

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:32 am
by Scobello11
28th Flotilla was made up of 8 MTB's....

Senior Officer - C Jerram

MTB 404 - E Lassen / L Lorrimer
MTB 405 - F Scoble / L Macey
MTB 406 - J Collins / N Evans
MTB 407 - H Du Boulay / D Hudson
MTB 408 - R Tonkin / E Newsome
MTB 409 - C Holloway (Divisional Leader) / P Best
MTB 410 - A Woodhouse / H Cooper
MTB 411 - B Syrett / J Aston

On the night of 12/13th April

Three boats left Ancona to patrol off Carole Point to the north of Venice 410 (Woodhouse), with Jerram on board, 409 (Holloway) and 408 (Tonkin). It was a night of low cloud, slight showers, no moon, and visibility very bad, until it cleared slightly just before midnight to 2500 yds.

Reaching a position six miles off Carole Light at 22.01, the unit stopped and cut engines to wait. An hour later radar contact was made with an enemy convoy approaching from about 4 miles to the north east. The MTB's started up and headed in that direction at eight knots. Several minutes later the contact was lost, but by this time the enemy's course and speed had been plotted and Jerram was able to fix a point of interception. Speed was increased in order that the attack should not be prolonged, in view of the rapidly lifting visibility.

It was nearly midnight when seven long dark shapes were sighted, bunched together in two main groups, with a single ship well astern. Jerram gave the order 'Flag Four' over the R/T - attack with torpedoes. He himself swung round towards the second of the two groups and fired both torpedoes at two of the enemy craft which were moving very close together and which had been identified as F-Lighters. It was remarkable feat of aiming for both targets were hit and sunk. The other two MTB's (409 & 408) followed up the attack and three more F-Lighters in the first group blew up and sunk.

The remaining F-Lighter and the escort vessel fired back at the MTB's under star-shell illumination, but no damage or casualties were suffered. Having fired all torpedoes - with 5 hits out of six, certainly one of the highest percentages of success in any MTB attack - the unit headed back to Ancona.

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 8:15 pm
by Peter
Good Evening An interesting blog re the 28th flotilla on looking at the names listed many of them come to mind . I was aboard MTB 243 of the old 24th Flotilla and some of the names mentioned immediately come to mind : H Du Bouley and Tim Collins were our Officers Claude Holloway MTB 242 , I have read the book of the 24th flotilla by H Cooper When I left MTB 243 I was drafted to MGB647
Good Night and Out
Peter

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:33 pm
by Scobello11
28th Flotilla May 1945 - Malta

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:36 pm
by Scobello11
28th Flotilla Officers with Commander Barron

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:38 pm
by Scobello11
MTB408 & MTB411 with captured flags.....

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:42 pm
by Scobello11
MTB 410 Lt Cooper
MTB 409 Lt Holloway
MTB 408 Lt Tonkin

From left to right.....

Lt Jerram (SO 28th), Lt Franklin, Lt Holloway (Divisional Leader) and Sub Lt Evans

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:58 pm
by Scobello11
Loading Port & Starboard Torpedo's

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:00 pm
by Scobello11
MTB 410

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 11:07 pm
by Scobello11
MTB's entering harbour, Malta.

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:18 am
by reinaart
Great photos, thanks for sharing. It seems the pic of the German E-boat bridge was also taken at Valletta.

Regards,

Arjan

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:12 am
by reinaart
Simon, although I'm not completely sure I think the E-Boat (Schnellboot) in this pic is S-61 :

Image

Captured Schnellboote at Valletta (scroll down almost to the bottom of the page) :

http://www.s-boot.net/englisch/sboats-k ... icsea.html

Regards,

Arjan

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 5:30 pm
by Scobello11
I cant find any specific information in my grandfathers book/notes.

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 8:04 pm
by reinaart
That's an interesting photo book ! Perhaps you could make a scan of the E-Boat pics on page 20. I've seen the top left one before but I don't think I have ever seen the other two. These photos show S-151, S-152, S-155 or S-156. Here you can also find a photo of these particular vessels after having surrendered in Ancona :

http://www.s-boot.net/englisch/sboats-k ... icsea.html

The E-Boat in your pics was equipped with a 2cm Mg 151/20 Drilling.

Regards,

Arjan

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 8:36 am
by reinaart
I've found another image of the Schnellboot that I thought surrendered at Valletta (notice the torpedo targeting gear, someone seems to have removed the binoculars):

Image

Image GERMAN SMALL SHIPS SURRENDER. MAY 1945, ANCONA, ITALY. VARIOUS SMALL SHIPS AND CRAFT WHICH HAD BEEN OPERATING IN THE ADRIATIC WERE BROUGHT IN TO THE ITALIAN PORT AFTER SURRENDER.. © IWM (A 28645) IWM Non Commercial License

Regards,

Arjan

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:12 am
by Scobello11
A few pictures...

Re: 28th MTB Flotilla

Posted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 11:54 am
by reinaart
Many thanks Simon ! The last three images you posted do indeed seem to show one of the type S-151 E-Boats. This series of boats was actually built at the Dutch Gusto Schiedam shipyard (in occupied Holland) according to German Kriegsmarine sepecifications :

https://werf-gusto.com/?page_id=6779

Regards,

Arjan