A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:25 am

That would be fantastic, thanks very much. If it's no trouble, I should say.

I suppose the worst that could happen is that we rule out that he was on this particular ML. Which is still a step forward!

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Stephen » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:16 am

No problem at all. It looks to be a part of a much larger document,but this bit is probably only a few pages long. If we're lucky there'll be a survivors list and perhaps an account from one of them. As you say this will, at least, enable you to eliminate the boat from your research! I'll post my findings here when I get them and I can send you copies of the pages.
Steve

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:21 am

Thanks Steve, that really is very kind

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Stephen » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:44 pm

Sorry Mark, not much luck with that document ...
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It's a curious document, having a seemingly random collection of losses and damage to Coastal Forces craft and Landing Craft (but not ML 146). Some of it is no more than summaries like this, others have several pages of analysis. This particular page is a collection of extracts from Weekly Intelligence Reports. There may be more in there, but the fact that there are many such extracts and only one page is listed doesn't make me hopeful. I didn't have time to look in the listed WIR I'm afraid.

I'm sure there must be more information in an Admiralty report somewhere, but I'm not sure where...

Regards,
Steve

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Tue Oct 18, 2016 1:47 pm

Hi Steve

Thanks so much for checking out for me. Not much to go on there is there! I'm waiting on the RN/MOD to get back to me regarding dad's service record so hopefully that will suggest a new line of inquiry for me. I shall report back whatever the outcome.

Thanks again - I really do appreciate it

Mark

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Mon Oct 24, 2016 5:25 pm

Hello
An update, I have heard back from the RN/MOD and they have provided me with some very limited information. His service record is, essentially, blank so they included info from the pay and pensions folk. This is basically a list of periods spent 'attached' to shore-based facilities such as Victory, Collingwood, Shrapnel and so on.

I fear I have come to another dead end!

Cheers all, Mark

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Stephen » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:55 pm

Hi Mark,
Not ideal I agree, but there may be some clues there. Do you mind posting images of the material they sent?
Regards,
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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Wed Oct 26, 2016 3:25 pm

Hi Steve
Yes of course. I'll have to bring them in to work and scan them here so it'll be a day or so. I'm not holding out much hope but of course there's a whole heap of expertise on these boards :-)

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Thu Oct 27, 2016 5:19 pm

OK I have it and scanned it as a pdf but it seems I can't upload a pdf so I'll need to re-scan to output as an image!

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Fri Oct 28, 2016 8:32 am

OK I've managed to convert some pages to jpg, a scan of one half the service record page (not very legible unfortunately) and the pay and victuals ledge which is legible but doesn't tell me much (I think) about his early service. Is does record the Naval Party he joined in Germany at the end of the war.

[these seem to be uploaded in a random order]
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Record page #3.jpg
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Record page #1.jpg

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Stephen » Fri Oct 28, 2016 9:42 am

Haven't fully digested this yet, but can't help but notice that he appears to have been promoted Acting Able Seaman (If I've read the handwriting correctly) 72 years ago today!

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Admin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:18 pm

OK I've managed to convert some pages to jpg, a scan of one half the service record page (not very legible unfortunately) and the pay and victuals ledge which is legible but doesn't tell me much (I think) about his early service. Is does record the Naval Party he joined in Germany at the end of the war.
Thanks for the details of your father's service Mark. I have my own father's service record given to him on discharge, and I have the details given me by the Royal Naval disclosure cell, which I applied for, and which are similar in format to yours above, and the only difference between the two, is that the disclosure papers contain slightly more detail, so this should be a reasonably accurate picture of your father's service. Shrapnel is a name I'm familiar with, being an umbrella organisation it seems for a variety of training units, which I presume is what RNTU stands for, but the billeting usually referenced for Coastal Forces personnel is for Hounslow, and the Fraser Nash car company at Isleworth who trained motor & ordnance mechanics. So I haven't come across Newcastle before and don't know what that may have been about. It has to be said, that with the exception of the very brief draft to Hornet, which was the main Coastal Forces base at Gosport, there doesn't seem to be much of a connection to Coastal Forces. Whether he was spare crew in some capacity while billeted at Victory, or had some kind of specialist role that saw him being attached to boats in some way is hard to determine, as there doesn't seem to be any specific training of note or substantive rank involved. The nature of the training unit at Newcastle might provide more of a clue; whether he was some kind of sapper for instance, having being attached to a Naval Party later, who were forward groups that went ahead at times to establish bases etc. His previous occupation as a clerk might possibly have featured in some respect too.

Sorry not to be of more assistance.

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:39 pm

Haven't fully digested this yet, but can't help but notice that he appears to have been promoted Acting Able Seaman (If I've read the handwriting correctly) 72 years ago today!
Good spot!!

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Mark_E » Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:46 pm

...

Sorry not to be of more assistance.

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Hi admin

Thanks for the note. I agree RNTU suggests training doesn't it. I did conduct a brief online search the other day for RNTU Newcastle but haven't really gotten into it yet. I agree there isn't much to suggest what role (if any) he ahd in coastal forces and August 45 is of course after VE Day too. I would have thought if he had taken part in a convoy aboard a destroyer that would have been documented too. If only I could ask him!

The naval party I do believe was tasked with helping to dismantle the German navy. I think my brother may have some papers form my dad about this part of his service but of course it's not related to Coastal Forces.

I'll keep chipping away and seeing what I can piece together and your help and advice (and Stephen!) I am most thankful for.

If I find out further info I'll report back of course.

Thanks, Mark

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Re: A Long shot - ML 916 and ...?

Postby Admin » Fri Oct 28, 2016 2:48 pm

Ben Warlow (Shore Establishments of the Royal Navy) to the rescue:

Diomede: Devonport Boys' Training Establishment, and also Cruiser Training Ship

Royal Katherine: Wilhelmshaven Port Party/Base NP 1738. Commissioned 08.05.1945, Ceased 10.04.1946

Royal Albert: London/Berlin/Hamburg/Cuxhaven

He did a reasonably lengthy spell at Newcastle whatever the training was, unless he was attached in some way to the staff there.

The reference to the 29th BGH, would appear to the 29th British General Hospital which served at Belsen.


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